The following is an exchange on May 19 and 20, 2018. The massacre at Santa Fe occurred mere hours ago. Each tweet is reproduced and separated for readers to see the exchange. The following replies come from a person I am not going to give free advertisement to; instead he is referred to as the Gun Lobby. The first tweet comes from a new organization. Spelling and some minor grammar have been changed.
On Twitter “NowThis” @nowthisnews wrote the following:
“This Texas lawmaker blamed the Santa Fe shooting on doors, not guns.”
I replied: That is like blaming pregnancy on beds not sex.
The Gun lobby showed up to say: “Or blaming the gun instead of the murderer.”
I replied: “yes because it is so very hard to imagine that in a gun culture, where guns can be bought anywhere, at any time, by anyone, when one has a problem with mental health, one would turn to… ping pong? Parcheesi? To solve any issue…
Yep hard to imagine. Let’s blame doors instead”
Gun Lobby replied: “No one is blaming the door. At least looking at the design of the school is a solution that doesn’t violate the rights of innocent people.”
I replied: “learn the law. Standing by the second amendment means background checks, banning classes of guns, disallowing certain groups from owning guns. Etc. It is only in the NRA wet dream does any of this violate rights.
Supreme Court
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)”
“There is no violation of rights unless the SCOTUS says so. All rights have limits as does the 2nd amendment. When the NRA lies and claims violation of rights, they mean the violation of their right to make money.
Remember that line about life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?”
“You have to be alive in order to have rights. Tell that to the 10 dead in Santa Fe. Or
‘Since 1968, when these figures were first collected, there have been 1,516,863 gun-related deaths on US territory. Since the founding of the United States, there have been 1396733 war deaths'”
“Stop reading terrorist propaganda and get the real facts. I may not like Heller but it is the law. The NRA is merely lying to you as some Russian puppet.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/us-gun-violence-charts-data …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller …
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html …”
The Gun Lobby replied “The Supreme Court does not always make the right decision. Rights are inalienable and do not change.”
I answered with “Indeed so. They do not always make the “right” decision. Nor do they make the correct decision. However they make the final decision. So why is it you stand up for the second amendment but not the rest of the constitution? This is not a line item veto, it is all or nothing.”
“So why is that only patriotic Americans, who swear oaths to uphold the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic is also the same ones who advocate gun control because that is the rule of law. Not the rule of guns.”
“What with gun nuts being… well nutty? The Russians are the major force of destabilization in American and around the world. And you have just joined the communist party. Nice move comrade. Now we know why you need guns, because in the open marketplace of freedom your idea failed”
The gun lobby replied: “What is with you leftists and Russians? The only person here affected by propaganda is you. The NRA is the moderate wing of the gun rights movement and does not go nearly far enough to protect the natural right to keep and bear arms.”
I responded:”Russian Market penetration was only 0.01% of Americans or about 35K votes. Just enough to win the election. You are correct the domestic terrorist group called the NRA is the moderate. Thankfully those to the extreme also live in their parents’ basement fondling their “weapons””
“Natural rights to short sleeves. Not modern weapons of destruction. And while I am sure in your world you come across as an intellect, we have the constitution that allows for the rule of law to interpret what those rights mean. Read Heller, this is the jurisprudence.”
“Heller is what in American would be the limits of right to bear arms. Not what some unknown, and unknowable Russian loving communist party member in his fevered delusions that somehow owning a gun makes him something other than a freak to the other 97% of the population who…”
“…Love their country and many of who have taken oath to defend the Constitution as is right for people who love their native land to do so. Heller affirms the right to bear arms. It also affirms limits. Like who can have a gun at what age, what type and where it can be carried.”
The Santa Fe Killer was after a girl he was obsessed with:
“So he could not get a date, go out kill her and 9 friends and injure another 10 people. Only in a gun culture that is out control without reason or rational do we see such things. Boys get turn down in Japan, Canada, UK yet we don’t hear about massacre there. Anyone wonder why?”
“In the 60tys when Black Panther advocated arming blacks, the NRA supported some of the strongest anti gun laws in America. Today, since it is only white males doing the killings, the NRA send thoughts and prayers for the slaughtered.
Showing that NRA is a racist terrorist group”
I read the brief personal description on the gun lobbyist page and made this comment. This is the comment he has left to describe himself to the twitter world.
“One last thought: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice… moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” – Barry Goldwater
That was Lenin who wrote that not Goldwater… make you either a Russian Bot or a manipulated dolt!”
“Why is it, when the Constitution protects Guns, the NRA and its domestic terrorist arm, all strongly support the Constitution and wrap themselves in the flag. The minute the argument goes against them in legal circles they toss out the constitution and claim natural rights… ”
“It’s called moving the goal post. There is no end for them except their sheer theocracy about democracy and the Constitution. They don’t care about anything other than stroking their phallic because clearly they have nothing going for them in that area. ”
“Yes and the gun nut will blame everything else, like white vans, knives or too many doors. All the while afraid of the real answer. Too many guns. But sticking with the NRA answers means they won’t be shot at by their fellow gun nuts and they get lots of cash as well, aka bribes.”
“The solution is there. In American, the slaughter continues because Politicians will not listen to the 97% who want gun control. Too much money in bribery and too afraid of the gun nuts. The tail wags the dog”
“Definition Gun nuts: Self proclaimed geldings seeking substitution by any means possible; up to an including massacring groups like high school students. Supported by the Russians to destabilize American, sponsored by corporate greed and their domestic terrorist unit, the NRA.”
A fanatic is defined as someone who won’t shut up and won’t change the channel…
The gun lobby replied:”All that ranting and the right to bear arms is still a universal right.”
I answered; “And still meaningless. The right is defined by Heller. Nothing to do with any universe. And as the lawful citizens begin to force legislation through their assemblies, the unfetter existence of gun nuts will come to a screeching halt.
And not a moment too soon.”
The gun lobby replied: “Governments do not grant rights. Your right to life, liberty and property will always exist no matter how a court interpret those rights”
I answered once more; “LOL
The argument of extremes. Those words mean nothing in and of themselves. It is the body of law that explains and expands them into meaningful dialog. Just like the slogan of bear arms is subject to meaning and the courts grant that meaning not the self serving Leninist.”
The gun Lobby replied: “The Supreme Court presided over slavery for 75 years, stop making them out to be some moral arbiter of truth. The constitution merely recognizes rights that have always existed. Humans will always have the right to bear arms, whether governments recognizes that right or not.”
I answered once more: “Again history is beyond you. Dred Scott was that decision. in… 1847. That law stood for 18 years until it was amending in the Bill of Rights.
But see this is the contradiction in this entire case. They, gun nuts support the 2nd amendment but nothing else…”
“The constitution enables courts of law to make lawful decisions on what rights mean and how to understand them in the context of cases brought before the courts. The courts having spoken establish what rights mean. It is not up to some Russian Nazi gun nut to tell us …”
“That a right is. It is not up to any one person to tell all of us. We leave this to an independent tribunal called the Supreme Court to decide. It may not always be right, it may not be correct. But the SCOTUS is the final word on this. Not you and not the NRA.”
The gun lobby: “That’s the difference between you and I. You would stand by a wrong decision, I would not.”
“You stand by nothing but you misplace manhood. Too bad you are shooting nothing but blanks in this argument and everywhere else.
You should try to stand by the Constitution of the United States. Not some terrorist group like the NRA. We the people will be heard.”
One should not forget that there is humor in this too!
The gun lobby wrote: “A support of Lenin? Try correct grammar next time.”
And then he wrote above: “That’s the difference between you and I. You would stand by a wrong decision, I would not.”
I replied to his grammar Nazism thusly: “Look spelling nazi as well 😀
Yet again comrade did you translation into Russian fail on the error?”
Then after a spelling check discovered his error and replied: “Hey spelling Nazi…
Try correct grammar next time.
You and me…
Not you and I….
Those who live by the spelling flame always get burned.”